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We Survived the Crusade.

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We have survived. Now we must prevent the next “crusade” against our countrymen and women.

The facts in front of us are too clear to ignore. A few people in Congress are claiming their right to resist the tyranny of the many (by blocking floor votes) and willfully, if not happily, took our country to the brink of economic chaos. I have come to the conclusion that this is not an accident, it is a strategy.

The Capital Hill crusaders represent less than 20% of the American population (even less given that none of them received 100% of the vote). And yet they receive the support of a disproportionately large percentage of the 1% backing.

Plutocracy meets theocracy: the uber wealthy and the extreme right fringe of christianity have found each other to be good bed fellows. The radicalized right sees no price too large if it results in the creation of a christian based government - but not just christian, THEIR flavor of christian - unfairly branding many Americans not-christian-enough.

They are reinventing and reinterpreting our secular documents like the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence in their own image.

The non-christian nature of their efforts is seen in the “fruit of their labors”. We are all either suffering under their cavalier fiscal indifference to the people, or we have friends who have been thrown under the bus by the siege.

Today’s call in show asks two questions.

  1. How is this “christian” political strategy working in your world? Tell us your story. And,
  2. what shall we (yes, the people) DO between now and the next chance these narcissistic leaders get to launch the next fiscal hostage situation in the name of their faith?

Join us and guests for a BIG serving of civility and reason (emphasis on REASON) during today's show.

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Coffee Party USA6600
Welcome! Debilyn here. We are ready for a rockin' good show today.
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Anne...please take over!
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Coffee Party USA6600
Anne...are you also on Verizon?
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Coffee Party USA6600
Hey Bob!
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Coffee Party USA6600
This is Debilyn...just FYI
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BizTutor Magic
Hi, Jeanene and Debilyn! 
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BizTutor Magic
I'll have to go once the groceries get here, but I'm listening, regardless. 
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Coffee Party USA6600
Thanks for listening!
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BizTutor Magic
The only reason I'd miss it is need for sleep. Same with Press 1.
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BizTutor Magic
I don't see the shutdown and the debt ceiling as a Crusade. I see that as separate.
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Coffee Party USA6600
Listen to Jeanene's case...and look at the religiosity of those who are fighting on the debt ceiling.
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Coffee Party USA6600
There seems to be a close connection.
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BizTutor Magic
I'm Christian - Catholic by registration, but very "cafeteria" about it.
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BizTutor Magic
On which side am *I* in this alleged Crusade?
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Coffee Party USA6600
That is very typical for American Catholics!
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Coffee Party USA6600
We are talking about the fundamentalists who are trying to break the federal gov't.
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BizTutor Magic
The Religious Right speaks for very few Christians.
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Coffee Party USA6600
Our point, exactly.
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BizTutor Magic
I adored Reagan as President but did NOT like Falwell as an advisor of his on religious topics.
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Hi, Anne!
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For Anne: The Moral Majority is not a true Majority, but I don't think the same can be said of Christianity as to the populace. Why is majoritarianism that projects their faith...
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AnneWalker1
Hey all, try looking at The Lasting Supper, great site to help navigate faith
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AnneWalker1
in context of politics as well
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...without *disparaging* the faiths of others, wrong in our DEMOCRATIC Republic?
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AnneWalker1
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Agreed, many great CHristians who aare mad as hell that their faith is being used.
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AnneWalker1
This is so great...so many callers!!
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BizTutor Magic
If my town's predominantly Christian, and wants a cross in its town seal, or a Nativity scene at city hall, or prayer in its schools, why is that wrong?!
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Religion binds a community as surely as political affinity does.
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AnneWalker1
Yes
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Coffee Party USA6600
Yes. It appeals to our tribal mentality.
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BizTutor Magic
My thought? The Supreme Court ought to take the same approach to religion as to the First Amendment as it does to obscenity. Community standards should govern.
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Coffee Party USA6600
OMG! I never knew about the fundamentalists kidnapping kids and reaching school kids. Whoa... really using our need to belong.
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Coffee Party USA6600
I remember YoungLife... was never cool enough to get kidnapped. LOL
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Coffee Party USA6600
Anyone else hear of dominionism?
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AnneWalker1
What about the Koch brothers? They ahve the money and "GOD" on their side
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Coffee Party USA
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yes. http://thecontributor.com/civil-rights/how-koch-bros-secretely-fund-anti-choice-efforts
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AnneWalker1
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SHould we talk about Sharia law?
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AnneWalker1
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Thanks John!!
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AnneWalker1
Linda is now on the call
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From New England
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Coffee Party USA6600
Linda is from New Hampshire?
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http://truth-out.org/news/item/12305-switch-the-light-switch-off-and-on-focus-on-the-family-is-working-with-the-koch-brothers
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Coffee Party USA6600
So, how do we strategize on this to keep a secular government in the future?
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Coffee Party USA6600
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www.centristmovement.org is just launching, too.
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AnneWalker1
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Facebook page: Christians Tired of Being Misrepresented
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nice
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BizTutor Magic
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"Don't be bashful...just say what's on your mind!" ~ Richard Dreyfuss, in "The Goodbye Girl"
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Coffee Party USA6600
LOL.
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BizTutor Magic
LOL
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AnneWalker1
HAha
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BizTutor Magic
He was convicted of heresy, wasn't he?
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...wasn't He?*
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AnneWalker1
Yup
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AnneWalker1
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Interesting book called the Yoga of Jesus that address his lost years 12-30.
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BizTutor Magic
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That's what I thought. That ought to be required learning for attorneys and paralegals. LOL (Crim Law History.)
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AnneWalker1
THe idea he was preaching eastern faith
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Coffee Party USA6600
Oh?
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Coffee Party USA6600
I've heard this story, many times.
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Coffee Party USA6600
It's called EMPATHY.
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AnneWalker1
Yes!
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That's where I move from the cafeteria to the water cooler of Paganism. I grok. 
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Coffee Party USA
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God is a republican and Jesus is a democrat. LOL
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BizTutor Magic
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That's a helluva thought! God being Republican, and His Son being the "rebellious kid". LOL
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AnneWalker1
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Thanks Linda!!!
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BizTutor is this John?
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Coffee Party USA6600
BizTutor is Bob
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Are you going to call in?
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No, because I'm spending time putting groceries away as well as taking phone calls.
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BizTutor Magic
So I can only listen this time.
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BizTutor Magic
At least I get that much! LOL
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they want persecution - brilliant
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Coffee Party USA6600
I agree that attacking is not the solution.
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act in love - also brilliant
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BizTutor Magic
As to Jesus being a Democrat, I found my own way to being No Party (they don't have Independent as a party in Iowa.)
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My parents were George Romney/Ronald Reagan Republicans.
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Coffee Party USA6600
That's what our show was about last week!www.livingroomconversations.org
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Thanks for a great show, everyone!
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Heal quick, Jeanene! FAA regs. Pilot's gotta be in good health. LOL
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AnneWalker1
Great Show Today!!! Love hanig with you all!
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hanging*
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Coffee Party USA6600
Thank you!!!!
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commented 2013-10-17 15:13:10 -0400 · Flag
Christian means Christ in and therefore Christ like. Not old testament like, but even in the old testament people left food in the fields for the poor to pick at.

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